Bring on the Friday FLAME!!!
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I can summarise.
1) Stuff is ambiguously mentioned about a new arcade site in #ukvac, mostly suggestions, most real intent is to do with a tech archive although personally I wanted to see a higher quality of forum too.
2) 'Someone' feeds all the channel gossip to Dsyde who takes it as gospel.
3) Tim quits as a mod on J+ due to being fed up with it.
4) Dsyde bans Tim for setting up an elitist competing forum (which doesn't exist) while posting about healthy competition being welcomed. Also threatens P-man for being associated with him. I call them on it and my post is deleted. I call them out totally for selling new bootleg arcade gear and being poor moderators with an addiction to deleting anything inconvenient. It gets deleted along with other things.
5) P-man requests deletion of himself and all his posts based on Dsyde trying to tell him what he can and can't do off-J+
6) I request deletion of myself and all my posts based on the J+ admin being utterly terrible.
7) Dsyde posts about various people leaving and having all their posts removed, claims I posted 'incorrect facts' which were true anyway, and furthermore claims they deleted my posts 'as a precaution' - since posts from dead users are so very dangerous, even though I'd already asked them to do it.
People end up logging in to ukvac.com again, which is mostly amusing because Dsydes childish paranoia about a nonexistant competing forum caused it.
I think that covers most of it. A big storm in a very tiny teacup.
bloodflowers2010-08-08 15:09:02
1) Stuff is ambiguously mentioned about a new arcade site in #ukvac, mostly suggestions, most real intent is to do with a tech archive although personally I wanted to see a higher quality of forum too.
2) 'Someone' feeds all the channel gossip to Dsyde who takes it as gospel.
3) Tim quits as a mod on J+ due to being fed up with it.
4) Dsyde bans Tim for setting up an elitist competing forum (which doesn't exist) while posting about healthy competition being welcomed. Also threatens P-man for being associated with him. I call them on it and my post is deleted. I call them out totally for selling new bootleg arcade gear and being poor moderators with an addiction to deleting anything inconvenient. It gets deleted along with other things.
5) P-man requests deletion of himself and all his posts based on Dsyde trying to tell him what he can and can't do off-J+
6) I request deletion of myself and all my posts based on the J+ admin being utterly terrible.
7) Dsyde posts about various people leaving and having all their posts removed, claims I posted 'incorrect facts' which were true anyway, and furthermore claims they deleted my posts 'as a precaution' - since posts from dead users are so very dangerous, even though I'd already asked them to do it.
People end up logging in to ukvac.com again, which is mostly amusing because Dsydes childish paranoia about a nonexistant competing forum caused it.
I think that covers most of it. A big storm in a very tiny teacup.
bloodflowers2010-08-08 15:09:02
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all I did is promote this forum on face book, it has nothing to do with any other forums.
Looking forward to seeing my first Friday Flame. Not quite sure on the rules but am guessing there aren't exactly that many 
I've still got my Nomex underwear on from a recent, entirely unrelated "incident" so I'm ready.
Are YOU?
I've still got my Nomex underwear on from a recent, entirely unrelated "incident" so I'm ready.
Are YOU?
I really never understood why there is/was so much rivalary between diferent groups that (essentially) represent the same interest. Kind of reminds me the way MG owners glare at Triumph owners while outsiders just see MG or Triumph as the same old sh1t sportcar, etc
I wasn't even aware of it for years although people would occasionally point it out to me in meets, maybe I need to spend more time in the chatrooms for maximum exposure.....
I wasn't even aware of it for years although people would occasionally point it out to me in meets, maybe I need to spend more time in the chatrooms for maximum exposure.....
TOTALLY OFF TOPIC flame, but a flame nonetheless, and it ties in nicely with what I was saying about classic car owners Check out this thread I've just exchanged with this chap on ebay, hopefully not someone from here either... (read bottom to top):
----- Original Message -----
From: eBay Member: ksarcade
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Dear daveh2408,
Well, if that is your position then I can do little to help. However, if you don't feel you can answer my questions or at least challenge my logic then I don't find your argument very convincing.
All the best
Karl.
- ksarcade
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From: daveh2408
To: ksarcade
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 17:05:05 BST
Dear ksarcade,
In the 25 years I have owned classic cars I have been disapointed by people misrepresenting parts. Please dont reply.
- daveh2408
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From: ksarcade
To: daveh2408
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 16:59:34 BST
Dear daveh2408,
Hi,
It's described '2500 PR / TR6', logically '/'means 'OR', I have explained in the auction the history of the unit and the uncertainty of it's pedigree.
For the sake of argument if you had a pattern or remanufactured part fitted to your car (highly likely if you actually run a classic) how, exactly would you describe it? It's still a direct replacement for your car, say, for example a 2500 or TR6, yet it isn't made by Triumph. However it is a direct replacement therefore it seems fair to prefix it with a known model name. Perhaps you could care to explain to me the differences between the PI block and the TR6? Did it have a nitrided crank, different bearing widths, block strength or material? AFAIK the difference is the cam + head and since neither are included in this auction I don't see what the issue is. However, I may copy your initial email and my response into the auction if that helps.
I would point out that in the 15+ years I've owned classic cars that it's exactly this kind of attitude that results in good core stock going into landfill and for a £4.99 opening bid I don't need the hassle. I am increasingly understanding of those who destroy their spares when they tire of the hobby, which is a shame.
Regards
Karl.
- ksarcade
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From: daveh2408
To: ksarcade
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 16:38:20 BST
Dear ksarcade,
Dont advertise it as a TR6 engine then
- daveh2408
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From: ksarcade
To: daveh2408
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 16:13:14 BST
Dear daveh2408,
Hello,
Thanks for your message. I don't recall saying it was a genuine TR6 engine; I would suspect there is no significant difference between the block crank and pistons of a late TR6 and a 2500 PI and could be considered a compatible replacement in any case. I actually have no idea what car it was fitted to new since it came from a modified Spit6. However, looking around the internet for this prefix suggests it was at least a PI engine but frankly it was pretty difficult to read off the block and it comes with a low starting price for the reasons above.
Regards
Karl.
- ksarcade
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From: daveh2408
To: ksarcade
Subject: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 15:39:44 BST
Dear ksarcade,
If this is a genuine TR6 engine the serial number will start with CP or CR. No TR6 bengines had a serial number beginning with any other prefix.
- daveh2408
karlcdoe2010-07-01 18:11:03
Check out this thread I've just exchanged with this chap on ebay, hopefully not someone from here either... (read bottom to top):----- Original Message -----
From: eBay Member: ksarcade
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Dear daveh2408,
Well, if that is your position then I can do little to help. However, if you don't feel you can answer my questions or at least challenge my logic then I don't find your argument very convincing.
All the best
Karl.
- ksarcade
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From: daveh2408
To: ksarcade
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 17:05:05 BST
Dear ksarcade,
In the 25 years I have owned classic cars I have been disapointed by people misrepresenting parts. Please dont reply.
- daveh2408
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From: ksarcade
To: daveh2408
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 16:59:34 BST
Dear daveh2408,
Hi,
It's described '2500 PR / TR6', logically '/'means 'OR', I have explained in the auction the history of the unit and the uncertainty of it's pedigree.
For the sake of argument if you had a pattern or remanufactured part fitted to your car (highly likely if you actually run a classic) how, exactly would you describe it? It's still a direct replacement for your car, say, for example a 2500 or TR6, yet it isn't made by Triumph. However it is a direct replacement therefore it seems fair to prefix it with a known model name. Perhaps you could care to explain to me the differences between the PI block and the TR6? Did it have a nitrided crank, different bearing widths, block strength or material? AFAIK the difference is the cam + head and since neither are included in this auction I don't see what the issue is. However, I may copy your initial email and my response into the auction if that helps.
I would point out that in the 15+ years I've owned classic cars that it's exactly this kind of attitude that results in good core stock going into landfill and for a £4.99 opening bid I don't need the hassle. I am increasingly understanding of those who destroy their spares when they tire of the hobby, which is a shame.
Regards
Karl.
- ksarcade
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: daveh2408
To: ksarcade
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 16:38:20 BST
Dear ksarcade,
Dont advertise it as a TR6 engine then
- daveh2408
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From: ksarcade
To: daveh2408
Subject: Re: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 16:13:14 BST
Dear daveh2408,
Hello,
Thanks for your message. I don't recall saying it was a genuine TR6 engine; I would suspect there is no significant difference between the block crank and pistons of a late TR6 and a 2500 PI and could be considered a compatible replacement in any case. I actually have no idea what car it was fitted to new since it came from a modified Spit6. However, looking around the internet for this prefix suggests it was at least a PI engine but frankly it was pretty difficult to read off the block and it comes with a low starting price for the reasons above.
Regards
Karl.
- ksarcade
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From: daveh2408
To: ksarcade
Subject: daveh2408 has sent a question about item #180526627352, ending on 05-Jul-10 22:55:26 BST - 2500 PI / TR 6 Short Engine Triumph Six Cylinder
Sent Date: 01-Jul-10 15:39:44 BST
Dear ksarcade,
If this is a genuine TR6 engine the serial number will start with CP or CR. No TR6 bengines had a serial number beginning with any other prefix.
- daveh2408
karlcdoe2010-07-01 18:11:03