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    Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 1:07am
we leave them on for hours an hours unattended at work, that's what there built for.
I actually don't like turning them off incase they don't come back on, and adds another job to me list of things to fix...……...
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Originally posted by smf smf wrote:

Originally posted by Shinydaz Shinydaz wrote:

Never leave a pole position unattended for more than 3 seconds

In case the "Out Of Order" sign falls off?

In case you don't want GAME OVER burned into your screen Tongue
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Originally posted by Amb47uk Amb47uk wrote:

The silica gel bags I have change colour when they are saturated... can be used multiple times over, put them in the microwave to re-use.

I put them close to all my PCBs.


Ah, fair dues if it’s going in sealed stuff. I had visions of packets of the stuff placed inside cabs,which wouldn’t be so useful.
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The silica gel bags I have change colour when they are saturated... can be used multiple times over, put them in the microwave to re-use.

I put them close to all my PCBs.
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Originally posted by Rasputin Rasputin wrote:

It's not very often a pole position will continue working after 3 seconds!

There are WORKING pole positions?
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Better to leave it on for a couple of hours than to switch it on and off 3 times in that period.

If you can’t wire a plug, you’re probably on a path to despair with a hobby involving 40 year old, fairly sophisticated electronics :-(.

I suspect it’s things that haven’t been on for ages that have the highest risk of failing when powered up again.
A smoking tantalum in my new (1997 )projector stunk my house out recently. Would’ve set the smoke alarms off, if I hadn’t seen and smelt it first.

Dehumidifiers are good, but silica gel is for things in airtight bags and is use-once, I think.

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The other side of it, if you leave it on you might get to play it longer

When I first plugged in Buggy Boy I was shocked it came on working perfect, It had no PSU so I borrowed Chase HQ one
 
Had a go on it for 20 mins, had to pop out for 10 minutes, I did consider leaving it on but then thought, maybe not a good idea in case something goes wrong
 
Came back, switched it on ERROR 34 or something is all I got on the ScreenUnhappy makes me wonder how long it would of lasted if left switched on, guess the chips not powered up for years and being powered again then off cooling down and back on one just gave up
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Originally posted by Shinydaz Shinydaz wrote:

Never leave a pole position unattended for more than 3 seconds




It's not very often a pole position will continue working after 3 seconds!
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Originally posted by JohnBud JohnBud wrote:

this ^^^^ LOL and don't play with matches LOL only kidding. old cabs are sh*te and hold a charge, egrets etc discharge on power down Wink use a brush handle and some rubber gloves to switch them on/off " top tip " Hug
 

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Originally posted by Amb47uk Amb47uk wrote:

Yeah a lot is common sense, but not everyone has it - myself included who only recently went and bought a fire extinguisher after reading this thread.

Thats why I wanted to collate it all. I bet many people on here havent got those safety  basics nailed (I know I havent)
 

I just sent you a PM while you were  writing that ..  above great minds thinking alike sort of ……… when you read it I did not know you were in the category I highlighted ………. BUT ITS TRUE 

THE INITIAL QUESTION WAS CERTAINLY NOT A SILLY ONE (they say if you ask a silly question? )

best to ask and be safer or have peace of mind at least... I once wrote a large guide to using a multi-meter for beginners on jammaplus and it got thousands of views as did the many add on replies and suggested safety topics it encouraged down the thread ……… 

I have visited the homes of odd forum users to advise or repair stuff especially as I get approached in our arcades.....  many can't wire a plug fully compliant with the safety it commands when being handled regularly...……………… and even less own or can use a multi-meter to test if a fuse is good tho I am happy to say MOST OF THEM ADMIT THIS and ask advice on here and other forums its not to be ashamed of as its a life skill you learn as you need to ….  and only then that you stumble when an issue arises..  

I have seen un- cased exposed crt monitors connected to superguns on lounge floors where children are free to roam and play nearby...…….  I recover a lot of pooltables and the number of home owners who admit they have knocked off ornaments and poked things like plasterboard walls and each other with cues ….. incredible …………so give them a bit of invisible electricity and the world is their oyster … Hopefully there are not many of these here among us ………………..  is there ??????????????????  


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Love threads like this. Great information. Thanks everyone. 
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Originally posted by Shinydaz Shinydaz wrote:

Never leave a pole position unattended for more than 3 seconds

In case the "Out Of Order" sign falls off?
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Yeah a lot is common sense, but not everyone has it - myself included who only recently went and bought a fire extinguisher after reading this thread.

Thats why I wanted to collate it all. I bet many people on here havent got those safety  basics nailed (I know I havent)
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Never leave a pole position unattended for more than 3 seconds
Out of room but always room for one more !
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@Amb47uk View Drop Down  its basically use 'common sense' but even then the unexpected can occur …  the thread began should he turn off or leave on ??   there's plenty to say both ways 

especially unattended ………turn off save money reduce risk ………. I've just been let down by the unexpected on my old faithful  tail lift van too !    UNATTENDED

went to it and as usual without even getting in I turn the key and it starts first flick of the key... so its old and smokes a bit till its run a minute or two ……………. I go in the house gather up some stuff  I plan to need on the journey lucky was just a favour for a friend of my daughter 

came out after about 5 minutes and its stopped ( like it ran out of diesel ) it wasn't much over the red anyway ……………… no ……..      not that !!!! 

air lock as van is on slight incline  NO  cracked pipe NO  bleed needed NO  but no fuel coming up to injector unions 

Turns out the ignition when on pulls up a solenoid in the fuel pump which cuts off the fuel to stop the engine when you turn it off...……..  this just died with age even after running for a while just packed up and killed the van …………(turned itself off)…………  the prognosis looked so real serious I looked down vans in autotrader but undeterred I took out the pump solenoid to find it did not function ………. new one just £19 .. PHEW!!! 

bled injectors again and all is well ………………..  but not getting a new van now Cry  ...also unexpected and my hand stink of diesel fuel 

these things catch you out no matter how you prepare but its standard PAT testing procedure to fit the correct fuse size in a correctly and tightly connected square pin plug ………. I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF HOT PLUGS FROM A LOOSE BLUE WIRE  ……… DAMAGED MAINS CABLE (crushed or split/ exposed conductor wires ) not to mention the over exposed stripped back insulation at terminals and the lack of cable clamps engaging fully tight with the outer cable insulation... been in major arcades where adapters are in adapters in extensions also in adaptors slight exaggeration but you get the idea??  …………….  a bit like xmas lights in some houses at xmas ……… 


 a poor sloppy wall socket can cause heating at the plug as more current is needed to conduct in a poor fitting blade of the socket …  this combined with a loosely wire plug terminal and possible cable damge your not even at the arcade machine yet !!!!!!!!!!!! how many of you have seen a brown looking entry hole on a wall socket or extension socket they can often burn to black and fail to work altogether … those tower switched anti surge computer things are not exempt from that also




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this ^^^^ LOL and don't play with matches LOL only kidding. old cabs are sh*te and hold a charge, egrets etc discharge on power down Wink use a brush handle and some rubber gloves to switch them on/off " top tip " Hug
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Amb47uk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 1:08pm
Some good info here, Ive been reading through this all carefully as I want to make a basic list for safety setup in a vintage arcade room. Need some help to finish this please, think it would be really useful for everyone:

Hardware:
1) Surge protected extension leads, 13A Fuse? (Max sockets for running multiple cabs ??, perhaps individual switched sockets a bonus too?)
2) RCD with same AMP as peripheral (at the wall socket or RCD on each extension socket?)
3) Power leads to have 5 or 7 amp fuses (for most CRT machines)
4) Smoke alarms
5) Fire extinguisher (Powder?) (min 2kg?) / fire blanket
6) Silica bags in cabinets to keep components dry
7) Dehumidifier to keep air / components dry.

Anything else to add to the setup recommendation?

Other tips:
1) Do not quickly power cycle the arcades.
2) be careful of touching the back of the monitor, always safely discharge before touching - it can kill.
3) Turn off whenever you smell burning and safely investigate
4) Unplug all arcades before tinkering with them.
5) when moving arcades from cold storage to warm (ie House), let them dry out for a few days before turning on.
6) Make sure your building insurance covers you for a fire caused by an arcade machine.
7) Check machine hardware all visibly ok after moving them; before turning on.
8) Do not leave machines unattended.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote campbell87 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 12:27pm
yea, i never leave mine on unattended. The only time they go on, is when i use them for a short period of time. 


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love it that Bods was able to pull this reference photo out ( its great people archive these instances ) AND I HAVE SAID THIS ON FORUMS BEFORE ELECTRICITY IS INVISIBLE AND DANGEROUS and it does what the picture explains above 

I am agreeing with all the above safety advice bear in mind that picture is truly how circuit boards can overheat when a dry joint (caused by heat) or a component goes suddenly and unexpectedly faulty

THE OLDER THE MACHINE THE MORE LIKELY IT WILL GET SOME ODD COMPONENT FAILURE tho it happens in new stuff too...……  most times it will blow the power fuse and kill supply to the device and end the issue with an out of order game but can be worse

as an amusement engineer for 40 years I worked on M6 motorway services among my jobs back in the 80s when mad dog McCree and op wolf  and pole position and Daytona drivers etc were new and frontline ALL THESE WERE LEFT ON 24 Hr DAY  7 DAY WEEK unless the cleaner need the plug socket for the floor vacuum

in our arcades we have stuff on from 9 am till midnight often only viewed by players and staff who only notice when they have gone off for some reason....or players loose money.... 

just THIS MONTH I had two instances of 'possible' near fire gone totally un-noticed till I did my maintenance rounds … ONE …… old style ELAUT CRANE the big red fronted double one …located in a separate childrens play room at the side of an arcade…..  symptoms unreported.. TAKES MONEY no display no credits given no sound no action on crane LEFT  HAND side RIGHT SIDE perfect all otherwise lit ……….. I took out the control box to find it almost smoking hot and power board inside just like bods picture .. only that the credit display was off this would normally be put down to a sweet or paper in the coin slot and coins backing up all innocent enough....  so 20p gets lost nobody says anything and HOURS PASS AS THINGS HEAT UP !!!!  the 12V to the coin mech still worked but the 5v was wiped out and spreading... !!

then just on Saturday I come to our HAPPY DAYS 8 play pusher and the drawers are all stopped coins up the zig zags and nobody had noticed or said a thing …….  usually when this is happened and its still illuminated its a coin gets behind the pin board and traps between two adjacent slide drawers

took off a zizag panel with the power off as you don't want get your fingers in between two of those it would slice them off...…………  found a self tap screw right in the 1 in 8 chance panels I took off to look...

freed the jam up turned it back on and BANG the whole side ( a quarter of the arcade went off ) THANKS TO AN RCD something you should always include in your game area wiring supply  a second issue which would have resulted in a probably fire had it niot just happened by chance THO I WOULD HAVE NOTICED IT WHEN NO SOUND RETURNED ….. 


Friday night prior to closing a gang of idiots had been picking up the machine and physically bouncing it to try and get coin out???? played the security footage back BUT IN SO DOING  DISLODGED THE HEAVY TOP MOUNTED SPEAKER from its self tap screws   ONE OF WHICH fell between the sliders  BUT THAT WAS SUCH A LUCKY FLUKE OCCURENCE AS IT TURNED OUT

worse tho….  the speaker had been dangling by its wires above the whole mains power supply to the machine and had already taken out one component less critical but at that moment it also sliced through a fuse holder 240V braking it in half but up ending the fuse from the LIVE side  .. AND SPEAKER SHORTED THAT TO ANOTHER PART OF THE PCB and almost lit it up ALL quickly sorted BUT COULD HAVE BEEN BAD IF LEFT UNATTENDED and HOW IS YOUR HOUSE INSURANCE FOR GAMESROOMS / SHEDS / WORKSHOPS ? 

MORAL HERE IS YOU MOVE MACHINES AROUND MAYBE WITH CARE BUT IN ITS PAST SOMETHING COULD BE LOOSE FROM YEARS OF IN/OUT VEHICLES UP?DOWN STEPS >>especially parlty bodged wired 'improvements' un-taped live and exposed this happens a lot in old video cabs >  CHECK EVERYTHING VISIBLY including circuit boards for periodic dry joints developing in heat generated areas but ABOVE ALL FIT RCDs to your supply and ONLY USE A PLUG FUSE OF THE SIZE APPLICABLE TO THE DEVICE 5 AMP IS USUALLY recommended in amusement machine plugs unless the item has a built in MOTOR 

IF YOU HAVE STUFF AT HOME NOT IN CURRENT USE TURN IT OFF SAVE MONEY ON ELECTRIC BILLS but if you are returning to it soon it can be wise to leave it on as turning on and off when already warmed up can lead to power surge issues where sometimes a hot fuse can just blow for a 'no fault' reason  Rapid ON OFF switching often causes damage to electronic devices

AROUND THE HOME  the only things that need a 13A fuse are items with motors or heater elements ( WASHERS DRIERS  ELECTRIC HEATERS/FIRES VACS COOKER TOASTER MICROWAVE MOWERS HEDGECUTTERS DRILLS and FANS etc BUT ESPECIALLY EXTENTION CABLES as you don't know what you might plug in to them... Plug fuses should match the device 3 Amp  for lamps and some TVs radios sterios , 5 or 7 amp in your crt high power amusement cabs  ALL FRUITS IN OUR ARCADES TAKE MAX 5 AMP  and only silent scope needs a 7 or 10 not sure why … pushers  and rides all have 13A as do some big items like the roulette wheel and horse racers . the weakest lowest value fuse *should blow first*  or an RCD


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When I used to work all over the place, quite often in Skegness which was handy at the time I was just getting back in to these machines, still lots of cabs in late 90's early 2000's and opposite the Simpsons Deluxe at back near Café area was the Chase HQ, had a go on it one year though Turbo Button missing so not that playable, the next year the machine still say there but now turned off

After a year of talks I bought the machine as it was, no idea what was wrong but didn't care, after getting home with it and getting in my lounge, looked into fault which was just monitor
 
This is what happened to it
 
 
So yeah, not good idea if you not near them for a while
 
In the 70's my Dad had to throw the TV out the lounge window when it set on fire
 
Could be worse though, you could have one of the many Tumble Driers, Fridge/Freezers or Vauxhalls that set on fire regular
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