Problem LS-32-01 on an original Vewlix panel?

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

Hey everyone. I want to mount a pair of LS-32-01's on my Vewlix that's in tate mode. However, the mounting plate is designed for a JLF. I've looked online for a suitable plate and the Seimitsu one was suggested. However the mounting holes on that plate are 65mm apart in a square formation and the bolts on the panel are 65mm one way and 75mm the other.

So has anyone got a link to the right plate for me to get?

Cheers

 

[ExZX]

arcade world did have them but have shut as far as I know.

There is this one: https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/joy...BYQu83kZCnkaeAASMvjkOxM15W78ssamgYp1lsfWs3vgR

Not sure how reliable they are.

edit ebay link: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266494896458

edit 2: OOS sorry

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

arcade world did have them but have shut as far as I know.

There is this one: https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/joy...BYQu83kZCnkaeAASMvjkOxM15W78ssamgYp1lsfWs3vgR

Not sure how reliable they are.

edit ebay link: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266494896458

edit 2: OOS sorry

That one, according to the spec won't fit on my panel as it's the one with the holes in a square formation

 

[nam9]

Maybe someone here?

FS Universal joystick mount plate for Vewlix and Chewlix

 

[FrancoB]

I'm not sure if there is a stock option as I've not looked into it for the LS-32 but if you don't mind aftermarket you could use something like [this] I did for the LS-55/56/58/60/62.

That one won't fit a LS-32 but I should be able to knock one up no bother. I should have an old LS-32 here to check against somewhere....

 

[Fantazia2]

Maybe someone here?

FS Universal joystick mount plate for Vewlix and Chewlix

There was something like this on some of the Naomi cabs I had, original fitment to the cab though I assumed as well before that thread was started.

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

I'm not sure if there is a stock option as I've not looked into it for the LS-32 but if you don't mind aftermarket you could use something like [this] I did for the LS-55/56/58/60/62.

That one won't fit a LS-32 but I should be able to knock one up no bother. I should have an old LS-32 here to check against somewhere....

That would be massively appreciated bud!

 

[FrancoB]

No worries, any excuse to help out and do some CAD work at the same time 😊

I dug one of my LS-32s out and it's not going to be quite as straight forward as the replacement adapter plates for the LS-56 etc as the LS-32 body is much wider and will impede the mounting holes in the E3018350A Vewlix 'S' plates.

Instead, we'll have to make either an intermediate adapter plate or possibly something else I have in mind. Question, what mounting plates do you have on your LS-32s? I'm guessing either SS (the 'S' plates) or SE (flat plates).

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

No worries, any excuse to help out and do some CAD work at the same time 😊

I dug one of my LS-32s out and it's not going to be quite as straight forward as the replacement adapter plates for the LS-56 etc as the LS-32 body is much wider and will impede the mounting holes in the E3018350A Vewlix 'S' plates.

Instead, we'll have to make either an intermediate adapter plate or possibly something else I have in mind. Question, what mounting plates do you have on your LS-32s? I'm guessing either SS (the 'S' plates) or SE (flat plates).

I’m using the SE plates as the SS on a Vewlix panel would leave you with an extremely short lever.

I actually do have SS plates but they are used to mount LS-40’s in my PS4 sticks and I also have the kowal universal plate.

 

[Retroman839]

You know Franco got this ,

Just saying ,
Any metal work required happy to help, 👍

Have some spare generic plates can drill for you if good measurements provided 😉 just as a intermediary if required

 

[FrancoB]

I’m using the SE plates as the SS on a Vewlix panel would leave you with an extremely lever.

I actually do have SS plates but they are used to mount LS-40’s in my PS4 sticks and I also have the kowal universal plate.

Extremely lever sounds awful Chingrish 😁

SE plates make things much easier. SS plates would have been possible but I would have sacked off the E3018350A completely and made mounts to fit SS plates direct.

If we're going with SE plates then this should work:

BEHOLD THE MOST COMPLEX MODELLED GEOMTERY IN THE WORLD EVER 🤯

The adaptor will fit to the Vewlix E3018350A mount with the two M4 CSK bolts. The need to be CSK/flush as the body of the LS-32 will overlap the bolts.

I'll screw M4 button head allen bolts from the rear. I'll print the holes to the thread root size so that they screw/stay in place. The mounting holes in the SE plate are slotted. I've aligned the the bolt position to the extemetries of the slot so that the button heads don't foul on the E3018350A mount.

That's the theory anyway.... I'll get one printed tomorrow and check where I can. I don't have a SE plate here so I've used the (frankly awful) dimensions I've found online. I'll need you to check your end. Guessing you're going to need a couple? It looks like I have enough hardware here for two or so sets.

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

Haha autocorrect on my phone!!!

I was thinking originally sort of a simple copy of the Seimitsu 'Universal' plate. Removing all the unnecessary mounting holes, just leaving the four to attach the lever, countersunk on the top, then the four mounting holes, extended out to match the Vewlix panel, negating the need for the E3018350A mounting bracket entirely and enabling the lever to be mounted at the right height. I've butchered the specs of the plate in paint to show what I mean.

Also, I've taken a picture of just how low the LS-32-01 sits when the Kowal universal plate is used in conjunction with the E3018350A.

Sorry to be a pain in the butt about this. I was told the Koawl plates would do the trick, but I'd have to drill out some holes to match the Vewlix mounting ones. I'm going to give it a go and see how I get on, but knowing me I'll probably mess it up!!

 

[FrancoB]

No pain at all, we might as well do it right for you

Ah ok, so no E3018350A mount and no SE plate either?

Should be something like this then:

I've been using LS-56's with the E3018350A for ages and haven't had a issue with the height. I was a bit concerned the ball top height would be to high without the E3018350A but I just took some measurements LS-32's really are short! LS-56's are about 31mm from the underside of the ball to the mounting plate but LS-32's are only 27mm.

So, LS-32's are 27mm to the mounting plate. We're not using the 1.6mm SE plate so that will equal 28.6mm standout. The CP thickness is roughly 1.6mm so that will bring us back to 27mm. I'll make the mounting plate 2.5mm which will make the standout 24.5mm. Sources differ but I think the 'recommended' standout is ~23-24mm. We'll be just past that but that will give you some wiggle room if you wanted to adjust that with washers/spacers if required.

I'll get printing tomorrow. How many do you need and do you have a colour preference?

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

Yeah, the mounts were designed with JLF’s to be the pre-installed lever, with the almost identical but so much better Hayabusa as an option.

My Dia came with the screen already rotated so I thought id just keep it that way. However I’m quite surprised no one has done an LS-32/40 mounting plate for one yet! But at least now there will be an option for people who want the same setup as me!

I only need two of them, colour doesn’t matter. Just let me know how much I owe you.

 

[FrancoB]

Fired a couple off today and all's good.

SE plate removed and new plate fitted:

Installed:

Hopefully the shaft to ball length meets your approval 😁

So I tested with a LS-32 (individual microswitches with terminals) and a LS-32-01 (microswitches soldered to a PCB + JST NH connector). Both fit fine. With the LS-32 a couple of the microswitches get in the way of the mounting studs in the CP and with the LS-32-01 the PCB gets in the way all the way around but you can get nuts on and then use a 7mm spanner to tighten.

Thinking of doing another version where you can either mount the plate-less LS-32 using the blue holes directly (as above) or if you wanted to use a LS-32 with a SE plate you then could fit that with M4 CSK screws to the adapter plate:

The 'blue hole' method requires less hardware, doesn't need an SE plate and gives you max extension but is a little trickier to install...

The 'red hole' method requires more hardware & a SE plate, it will reduce the max standout by 1.6mm but will be easier to install into the cab.

I know you may only need the blue hole version but I'll share both files online in case they are useful to anyone else.

Let me know which version you want. I'll test print a pair of the new version tomorrow and offer up the other set that you don't want to someone else.

Just PM me your address and I'll get them sent, should be able to send them as a letter as they'll be under 5mm. Don't worry about £££, pay the favour forward to someone else if you want to

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

Fired a couple off today and all's good.

SE plate removed and new plate fitted:

Installed:

Hopefully the shaft to ball length meets your approval 😁

So I tested with a LS-32 (individual microswitches with terminals) and a LS-32-01 (microswitches soldered to a PCB + JST NH connector). Both fit fine. With the LS-32 a couple of the microswitches get in the way of the mounting studs in the CP and with the LS-32-01 the PCB gets in the way all the way around but you can get nuts on and then use a 7mm spanner to tighten.

Thinking of doing another version where you can either mount the plate-less LS-32 using the blue holes directly (as above) or if you wanted to use a LS-32 with a SE plate you then could fit that with M4 CSK screws to the adapter plate:

The 'blue hole' method requires less hardware, doesn't need an SE plate and gives you max extension but is a little trickier to install...

The 'red hole' method requires more hardware & a SE plate, it will reduce the max standout by 1.6mm but will be easier to install into the cab.

I know you may only need the blue hole version but I'll share both files online in case they are useful to anyone else.

Let me know which version you want. I'll test print a pair of the new version tomorrow and offer up the other set that you don't want to someone else.

Just PM me your address and I'll get them sent, should be able to send them as a letter as they'll be under 5mm. Don't worry about £££, pay the favour forward to someone else if you want to

That's fantastic! Just that first version is good for me. The PCB getting in the way won't be an issue, as when I mounth them, I'll be completely stripping the lever down, cleaning everything including inside the switches and re-greasing the pivot anyway.

I really am surprised no one has had this issue before and hopefully it will help others with this issue.

DM incoming!

 

[FrancoB]

I'm glad the first version is good for you as the new version won't work with a SE plate

Printed this morning and with the SE plate in place you can see the studs in the Vewlix panel won't clear the plate, doh! This is the beauty of rapid prototyping though I'll roll back to the 'blue hole only' version and get files uploaded.

2x 'blue hole only' version should be in the post today

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

That's the one thing that always narked me about the 32 & 40 - Even on my PS3/4 sticks, you either had to get the SS plate and mount it via two screw holes that weren't properly threaded, or there were just no mounting points provided. JAMMA was standard, 30mm holes are standard, so why the bloody hell can't lever mounting points be standard?!?!

 

[FrancoB]

Yeah it is a bit annoying and makes it frustrating trying to swap sticks out.

A few years back I made CAD drawings of a few Japanese mounting plates and overlaid them to find a hole pitch (84.5×40.4mm) that all of them below can be fitted to:

Seimitsu SE - Fits: LS-32/LS-32-01, LS-34/LS-34-01, LS-40/LS-40-01.
Seimitsu SE-P40 - Fits: LS-55/LS-55-01, LS-56/LS-56-01, LS-58/LS-58-01 and LS-60
Sanwa JLF-P-1 for the JLF

I've used the above pitch when making any control panels and I believe a few other have adopted it too.


Back to the Vewlix > LS-32 mount, @MonkeyJuggleDX has received the plates and confirmed that they fit his sticks/Vewlix too so I've uploaded the files to Printables.com [here].

 

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

I can confirm these plates are absolutely spot on. Just the right amount of snugness on every mounting bolt. Makes a hell of a difference using a Seimitsu lever for tate shmups!