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I was looking at my video play cabinet this evening as the MS111 is not accepting coins . Took the mech off and cleaned inside the coin entry part but still no joy. Any cleaning / refurb advice appreciated.


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My mech is still on old coins and wondered if this version can be reprogrammed?
I've had a couple reprogrammed to accept the old, big 10p, but I've no idea what kit is needed to do it. Sent mine to someone on eBay offering the service years ago, but they took bloody ages to send them back. 😆

I'm wondering if the settings are stored in some kind of NVRAM setup which has failed due to age. 🤷‍♂️ Just guessing at this stage.
 

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I was looking at my video play cabinet this evening as the MS111 is not accepting coins . Took the mech off and cleaned inside the coin entry part but still no joy. Any cleaning / refurb advice appreciated.


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Mars mechs are fairly hardy NEVER spray with lubricants or polish!!!
Only clean them with a lightly damp cloth rubbing off all coin grease residue from hands from the roll down entry area lifting the flap back carefully
Remove the side panel and check the holes for the transmit / receiver signal which reflects via a prism located behind the rectangular plate on the side panel. That prism needs be clean too. Fluff there can look like a blockage? No accept !

Mars and sentinel recognise coin by speed and metal density in the roll down entry so speed is critical for the mech to measure diameter as it rolls in .. a slow sticky coin and dirty mech the coin measures bigger so will reject….
If it’s one of the 4/5 legitimate coins allowed in the return rejects flap pulls in and the first sensor sees it closing the flap again so two successive coins don’t pass the flap … the other sensor verifies the coin value and where a sorter is fitted routes the coin to an appropriate payout tube etc.

If the loom connector has been pulled off frequently the pins may crack dry joint at the solder….. occasionally if a mech doesn’t accept the inhibit lines can be ‘tied’ to 0v which may force it to accept? However some mechs do fail electronically by age too

Only some Mars mechs can be reprogrammed … most 115 or 126 but not all 111 type .. too long a variety to list here.

If a mech has an EAROM 82ls126 /129 /130 it can usually be upgraded to other new coins …. the chip if it’s only a minor change can sometimes be used twice as it has two channels capable of 4 coins otherwise a new chip is required … 111 mechs rarely have this ic and they are more likely obsolete now…. A few cash flow 126 mechs also are resistant to alteration best sending them to Maggi electronics at Bolton for update or repair they will let you know if upgrade is viable? Same with A13 style mini mechs and all other types…

Always try a clean first as they dislike dirty mechs arriving requiring more time just because of grime! They offer replacement also… as do swallow amusements on line.
 

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Mars mechs are fairly hardy NEVER spray with lubricants or polish!!!
Only clean them with a lightly damp cloth rubbing off all coin grease residue from hands from the roll down entry area lifting the flap back carefully
Remove the side panel and check the holes for the transmit / receiver signal which reflects via a prism located behind the rectangular plate on the side panel. That prism needs be clean too. Fluff there can look like a blockage? No accept !

Mars and sentinel recognise coin by speed and metal density in the roll down entry so speed is critical for the mech to measure diameter as it rolls in .. a slow sticky coin and dirty mech the coin measures bigger so will reject….
If it’s one of the 4/5 legitimate coins allowed in the return rejects flap pulls in and the first sensor sees it closing the flap again so two successive coins don’t pass the flap … the other sensor verifies the coin value and where a sorter is fitted routes the coin to an appropriate payout tube etc.

If the loom connector has been pulled off frequently the pins may crack dry joint at the solder….. occasionally if a mech doesn’t accept the inhibit lines can be ‘tied’ to 0v which may force it to accept? However some mechs do fail electronically by age too

Only some Mars mechs can be reprogrammed … most 115 or 126 but not all 111 type .. too long a variety to list here.

If a mech has an EAROM 82ls126 /129 /130 it can usually be upgraded to other new coins …. the chip if it’s only a minor change can sometimes be used twice as it has two channels capable of 4 coins otherwise a new chip is required … 111 mechs rarely have this ic and they are more likely obsolete now…. A few cash flow 126 mechs also are resistant to alteration best sending them to Maggi electronics at Bolton for update or repair they will let you know if upgrade is viable? Same with A13 style mini mechs and all other types…

Always try a clean first as they dislike dirty mechs arriving requiring more time just because of grime! They offer replacement also… as do swallow amusements on line.
That’s great advice, thanks Norm.
Will have a look at it again and report back .
 

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Coinage changes has been one of the banes of our lives … decimalisation had already happened Feb 1971 bad enough but the 20p and pound coins only arrived later into early 80s …..
1992 then saw the shrinking of 10p & 5p coins and numerous mech reprogramming or mechanical adjustments…
We only just got past that in 1994 the 2p & 1p changed metal content to steel magnetic base from more costly copper based low value coins which weighed in scrap for sometimes more than their face value?
Then 1997 the 50p shrunk also …. It’s like the ever changing New Size chocolate bars ( I avoided saying Mars bar there to save confusion) and Mars /coin controls mechs needed yet another tweaking
Still not happy that coin handlers were having an easy time (not) also in 1997 a new £2 coin was added into the mix menu!!

So are we happy now ….. not a chance! 2012 ( having already changed the coin designs in 2008) we get a magnetic 10p & 5p again cheaper to manufacture and to maintain the banking bulk coin weight , the new post 2012 10p was made wider (same diameter) but now 1.9mm depth up from previous 1.7mm so stacking 10 alike coins gives a height difference of one full coin.

Now are we settled ,?,,,,, are we hell 2017 the pound coin was made to look like its euro similar bi metal coin … and it took them several attempts to get a Mars mech tolerance on these and lorry loads didn’t make circulation …. My colleague at Knightlys funfair Towyn was consulting with the royal mint as many early conversions for local arcades were returning poor acceptance due to metal density variations.

They sent us coins, blank design with just the penny basic pound design on and royal mint sample on one side and charged a mega deposit so they got returned after advanced programming? Not released to eBay ….

So the coin mechs have had all the expensive updates the government can apply ???? I know … all those fruit machines and change boxes that take paper notes …. “ let’s recall them all and introduce polymer notes it will help against forgery? No? Forged notes are still circulating .. but the coin handlers luckily don’t get frauds with them as the note accepter/recyclers don’t accept fakes.. just over counter passing in busy markets and superstores…..

So the moral here is …. If you feel badly treated with a poor quality mars mech or s10 validator then be thankful you only own one or two (few) machines …. 1992 we did thousands of upgrades for clients arcades and do still have some 82s126 ics but sadly our bbc computer with the programming data died long ago…. Some programming devices do survive …. But as I was not personally doing the work ( we employed a self employed computer guy just for that purpose) I tend to forget how we did some of the upgrades ,,, big job was making slots smaller on s10, with a plastic insert or pop rivit in the metal s1 slots and a accepts new 10p only red sticker still evident on some of my old cabs !
 

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Confusion occurred before decimalisation tho preparing new pence coins .. among my wife’s accidental foreign massive coin collection lives this big 1970 10p .. someone over stamped 2 shilling across it!
 

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what we need is some clever person on he to make a device you can build to re programme them yourself, need the other sentinal ones doing for me as i've got rid of most of the mars type for the red door type
 
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