The shame of physical or digital in 2023...

[funk]

I'll call it out right away, I give way to much thought to what other people think of me than just getting on with my life, regardless of whether I tell tell myself otherwise 😬

What's that got to do with the original post title?

I go through phases of being miserable about wanting physical copies of things and how that is now perceived by many, general example being moving from VHS, to dvd, to blu-ray, and my strong resistance against using Spotify with a preference for a physical copy of my favourite albums.

I do think in certain realms things may come full circle, games specifically, but in the main, attitudes seem that you're mad if you buy physical media now, why not use Spotify, for film, netflix, apple tv etc.

There are genuinely times when I actually feel shamed by people for going down the physical route whenever I can. I understand the benefits, storage alone, but I regularly can't make peace with myself over it, its a conflict that part of me thinks is a form of industry wide peer pressure, follow the masses because it's right. I'm not judging people who collect them, but in many cases those I know pushing in that direction are filling their space with plastic pop models that to me, fill a gap and provide little value but temporary eye candy or hopes of 'investment' and return.

We have multiple generations effectively sleepwalking into a situation where they simply won't have things to share with others, loan, pass on etc. and it just seems to be generally accepted. Things disappear from streaming services, the same is happening for some physical games too - recent example being Friday 13th, developers have lost the license so the whole thing is shutting down, even for those with physical copies - they're now worthless.

The flip side is, my dustry copy of don't tell mum the babysitters is dead collects dust, but can be bought digitally from Amazon "to keep"... is it really to keep though, will I even remember it's there? Sometimes having something looking at you on a shelf is a good reminder as to why you got it in the first place.

Sorry for the middle aged rant!

 

[chubsta]

I used to be a huge collector of vhs, dvd and cds - if I wanted to watch of listen to something I just bought it so I had it forever. The thing is, eventually I had shelves and shelves of pretty things that were almost untouched, many of the dvds still in their wrappers. Even if I had watched a dvd it would probably only be once. Same with games, I almost had to always be buying something. The final stage was 3 downstairs rooms of original arcade machines that I was scared to switch on in case they monitor broke!

So I got rid of everything.

And I'm happier for it - I have the space back, I can still watch and play everything I want via my digital storage (mp3/film) or emulation (gaming). I don't miss having the physical copies at all. One big factor for me as I get older though is 'value for money' - rather than rent a dvd for a couple of quid I would always buy it for a tenner. If it only got watched once then that is not value for money so what the hell was I thinking. I will put a massive factor out there for me - I pirate everything. I don't spend a single penny on any media at all - games, music, film, books, all are pirated. Hell, I even buy my Lego-equivalent off Aliexpress for pennies. I spend money on useful software for my Mac because I use it all the time but everything else is pirated - the ultimate 'value for money'.

As much as it can be really nice to look at all the stuff you have accumulated, with all the associated nice memories that it can trigger, no-one else will care. Your dvd collection is going to a boot fair or the dump when you die, like everyone else's. Those games you treasure - well no-one is going to want to play a 30 year old shoot-em-up when the new FIFA 42 is out. Look at all the wonderful artefacts on Antiques Roadshow - Grannies ring, Grandads medals etc - wonderful story, now give me the cash I want a holiday.

It is a shame, but following generations will treat our media exactly the same as we treat that of our forbears, it will be a curiosity and someday someone may be interested from a historical point of view, but generally all will be lost. Those shelves in the big libraries of books from the last hundreds of years that are totally ignored - that is the future for our media.

However, that is not to say there is nothing wrong with collecting whatever makes us happy - I watched a film the other day which dealt with the concept of 'self' and the conclusion is that the person we were is not the person we are now, and the person we will be is not either. All we are is the person 'in the moment' and you should do whatever makes you happy. If you choose to stitch up 'the future person' by doing something silly then that's fine, that future person can look after himself and you shouldn't always be thinking of what he will think any more than you should live your life now according to what others think about you. Not a good explanation but then I'm not a philosophy professor!

We see the things we hold dear disappearing and it starts to show that we too will become obsolete, eventually no-one will remember us either, in the same way that we don't remember our ancestors. They say we die twice - the day life ends and the day the last person remembers our name. For our whole lives we really are the world and everything revolves around each one of us as an individual but everyone and everything is ultimately replaceable and forgotten. That video on the shelf you remember watching with your first girlfriend? its worth is solely measured in the memories it holds, to everyone else it is just taking up space.

Im not really a fan of streaming myself, I download and keep on HD to watch/listen, as you can never guarantee it won't be removed from Netflix etc so that is my compromise. It is horrible that you can no longer play a physical game because the servers have shut down but then I can no longer watch tv on my old Tatting because there is no analogue signal - the world moves on in the same way as it did for wax cylinders and 78's. Do future generations really need Friday 13th?

My rant over too - sometimes it is just good to externalise your thoughts, particularly by writing them down, as doing so tends to open up many different areas, hence my ramble of life, privacy and the futility of existence.

TLDR - enjoy your stuff, and don't worry about what the future holds for it, because no-one will care it, or you, is gone.

( I apologies for going off at a tangent but to me anyway it is all connected - a nostalgia for the past, a feeling of being disassociated from the current world, and fear of my own mortality)

 

[Mr20to5]

I wrote a similar article last year on how I felt/feel about this very subject.

It's a tough call, and very much a personal process for each to find their answer.

For anyone interested..

 

[kingtreelo]

this needs merging into the Wilkos thread of old moaning bastards

people like to collect stuff, its human nature, if you dont or dont have the financial means to do so....then dont

personally the only things i collect are older games, i wouldnt dream of trying to collect games for new systems that are 80% download once you insert the media

as for emulation, i love it, i have retroarch on my PC and a mister and use them most of the time, but there is nothing like firing up an old system and using the original hardware and a proper TV

as for aliexpress LEGO...good luck with your fingers, i have a few of those dodgy sets and they are crippling, they may cost a fraction..and i certainly wouldnt purchase some of the sets LEGO sell as they are astronomical in price...but yeah, you sound like a cheapskate

 

[Bods]

1st thing is not to fear what others think, that's how there silencing people, most are silencing themselves from the fear

As I now see it, the goal is you own nothing, it's been said "you'll own nothing and be happy" but a certain bond type villain
Thing is if you look at whats happening, are people are being led into owning nothing, I know some are happy with that and that's fine as long as it's your choice and not programmed into you by that TV Box, many are though without knowing through the alpha state it puts you in, quick google "tv alpha state of mind" has many articles
I know some here will be asking me to take that Hat off again and that's fine, I'll never forget when round school mates once, was Advert on for Marathon or Twix, soon as ad finished he said, going to shop to get chocolate and bought what was advertised I was blown away and thought wow people actually of fall for the adverts, strange thing he's now same as me with whats happening

look at the bigger picture and things become clearer
House prices just go up, they want a nation of renters, most don't own the house till nearly dead either, bank owns it
Cars. people used to buy them, most of us in 1980s/90s bought old cars but a couple started to get loans to buy them, slowly it's got to where most now just rent them, never owned as there paying monthly through lease etc
so that's the 2 biggest items most never own
now they start up Renting Bikes, don't buy kids bikes they grow out of em quick, so rent
Clothes, been adverts for Rent your clothes
Music, Movies, Games it's now stream it all, own nothing and i'm sure you'll see more of it for more items

Also new houses have small gardens mostly and small rooms, no space to have much so many will stream stuff for that reason

It's your choice, don't be influenced by TV or others on your choice

Yep, I don't stream anything, sooner buy it but don't buy hardly anything New, don't play new games as I couldn't be bothered with it all, there are enough old TV shows for me to watch, enough old music to listen to and enough old games to play for me to worry about anything new

 

[neo-geo-mvs]

I like physical games/dvds/mags etc but with collecting for 20+ years I'm getting to the stage of no more room, so the future for me will be to enjoy everything I've currently got and then catch up with new movies/series online via firestick. Subscribe to Disney+ now and then to catch up with stuff.

Game wise I've got the Switch and going to get a PS5 as lot of good retro games/retro style games released (bought a stack of PS4 games already plus some PS5 games.) Cant see myself getting any more consoles after this generation.

Got a backlog of games to enjoy (new and old). New TMNT, Streets of Rage, loads of scrolling beat em ups. So many good games out at the moment. Hoping for a new Final Fight game and that would be me complete.

 

[Vamino]

I used to be a huge collector of vhs, dvd and cds - if I wanted to watch of listen to something I just bought it so I had it forever. The thing is, eventually I had shelves and shelves of pretty things that were almost untouched, many of the dvds still in their wrappers. Even if I had watched a dvd it would probably only be once. Same with games, I almost had to always be buying something. The final stage was 3 downstairs rooms of original arcade machines that I was scared to switch on in case they monitor broke!

So I got rid of everything.

And I'm happier for it - I have the space back, I can still watch and play everything I want via my digital storage (mp3/film) or emulation (gaming). I don't miss having the physical copies at all. One big factor for me as I get older though is 'value for money' - rather than rent a dvd for a couple of quid I would always buy it for a tenner. If it only got watched once then that is not value for money so what the hell was I thinking. I will put a massive factor out there for me - I pirate everything. I don't spend a single penny on any media at all - games, music, film, books, all are pirated. Hell, I even buy my Lego-equivalent off Aliexpress for pennies. I spend money on useful software for my Mac because I use it all the time but everything else is pirated - the ultimate 'value for money'.

As much as it can be really nice to look at all the stuff you have accumulated, with all the associated nice memories that it can trigger, no-one else will care. Your dvd collection is going to a boot fair or the dump when you die, like everyone else's. Those games you treasure - well no-one is going to want to play a 30 year old shoot-em-up when the new FIFA 42 is out. Look at all the wonderful artefacts on Antiques Roadshow - Grannies ring, Grandads medals etc - wonderful story, now give me the cash I want a holiday.

It is a shame, but following generations will treat our media exactly the same as we treat that of our forbears, it will be a curiosity and someday someone may be interested from a historical point of view, but generally all will be lost. Those shelves in the big libraries of books from the last hundreds of years that are totally ignored - that is the future for our media.

However, that is not to say there is nothing wrong with collecting whatever makes us happy - I watched a film the other day which dealt with the concept of 'self' and the conclusion is that the person we were is not the person we are now, and the person we will be is not either. All we are is the person 'in the moment' and you should do whatever makes you happy. If you choose to stitch up 'the future person' by doing something silly then that's fine, that future person can look after himself and you shouldn't always be thinking of what he will think any more than you should live your life now according to what others think about you. Not a good explanation but then I'm not a philosophy professor!

We see the things we hold dear disappearing and it starts to show that we too will become obsolete, eventually no-one will remember us either, in the same way that we don't remember our ancestors. They say we die twice - the day life ends and the day the last person remembers our name. For our whole lives we really are the world and everything revolves around each one of us as an individual but everyone and everything is ultimately replaceable and forgotten. That video on the shelf you remember watching with your first girlfriend? its worth is solely measured in the memories it holds, to everyone else it is just taking up space.

Im not really a fan of streaming myself, I download and keep on HD to watch/listen, as you can never guarantee it won't be removed from Netflix etc so that is my compromise. It is horrible that you can no longer play a physical game because the servers have shut down but then I can no longer watch tv on my old Tatting because there is no analogue signal - the world moves on in the same way as it did for wax cylinders and 78's. Do future generations really need Friday 13th?

My rant over too - sometimes it is just good to externalise your thoughts, particularly by writing them down, as doing so tends to open up many different areas, hence my ramble of life, privacy and the futility of existence.

TLDR - enjoy your stuff, and don't worry about what the future holds for it, because no-one will care it, or you, is gone.

( I apologies for going off at a tangent but to me anyway it is all connected - a nostalgia for the past, a feeling of being disassociated from the current world, and fear of my own mortality)

Interesting musings there.

I enjoy the aesthetics of how things look and feel, starting with selecting whatever media to take off the shelf, removing it from it's packaging and slotting it into the player to enjoy whatever it is and maybe even appreciating all the effort from everyone involved that went into making it a physical object.

You lose that connection when something becomes digital. Life seemingly goes by too fast that it doesn't give people much time to hardly appreciate anything, it's all about immediate gratification, never mind appreciating one of the 27,000 roms on a Raspberry Pi.

Whilst a complete collection of Super Famicom games looks lovely on a shelf, is it much different to Nana's cabinet of nik knacks where she has an attachment to everything in there?

it's possible that the consoles themselves will be in the cloud at some point, where a connection to the digital highway is all that is required. Not sure I want part of that to be honest!

Living for the moment just to be happy whilst ignoring the future version of oneself is a bit selfish in my opinion, it's almost like that movie is saying buy/eat/drink/do what you like and sod the consequences, don't worry about stuffing your face with food all day as you don't have to deal with poor health now. Go on, buy that £1200 phone, wack it on the credit card and you can worry about the money later. But yet, that's what is being promoted. It's kinda like being a crack addict getting a hit, but the hit is short lived, guilt can kick in and then the cycle repeats to get over the feeling of being down.

A few years back I listened to a lecture where someone said the opposite and it resonated with me that much it's now part of my philosophy. To put it simply, try to be futuristic in ones actions as the future selfs very survival depends on the actions of the present self. No point dwelling too much on the past as it has already happened, the speaker did emphasise not to totally ignore the past, but learn from past actions to help the future self.

Space is certainly at a premium these days though, so some concessions have to be made but it doesn't have to be a life full of NFT's. My nephew just turned 18 and whilst dropping off his birthday present he was showing me his nik knacks/artifacts/relics. A stack of cassettes that he plays on his bluetooth cassette player (playing slow and sounding like ass! lol), some random videotapes, a 7' dexy's midnight Runner's single......all slotted in between his Funko Pop's, DVD's, books, toys and videogames.

There will always be physical media if there's a market for it. Take Limited Run games for example, the numbers may not be massive but buying physical media is still an option. The masses dictate what sells, MS quickly backpedalled after the backlash from consumers when they announced that a previous version of Xbox was digital and needed to be online to play games.

I get the impression that collecting tat isn't dying anytime soon!

 

[deadendthrills]

Time to wheel out that Stanley Kubrick quote:

"However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light."

Which for this thread means: the only value of a thing is what you bestow upon it. If a wall of games and movies brings you joy, that is literally all you should need or want it to do. Personally I prefer to have the one right thing for whatever I care about, in the one right place, which tends to mean a lot of (offline) digital media, some specific hardware, and just the right amount of trinkets from things I genuinely care about.

What you'll find if you truly enjoy the things you have is that the joy itself is contagious. Tell a kid why they should watch this movie or play this game and they'll get right back to Minecraft or Fortnite or (in my eldest's case) a bunch of Paradox Interactive games. But let them see how much you enjoy something and they might just end up beside you enjoying it too.

Just don't end up in the black hole that is surrounding yourself with stuff because it might be of value to someone, somewhere, sometime. Because chances are it could make someone really happy right now, but isn't because you're sat on it waiting for it to turn into gold.

 

[chubsta]

I like philosophical discussions...

I could make the point that collecting stuff is a purely selfish act that puts your current self first - there is a very good chance that future self will revel in the nostalgia still in the same way you may be doing now, but they may also look back and wonder why their past self spent so much on pretty things when they would have been much better off paying the mortgage off so future self didn't have to work until he was 75...

But then future self may not even exist as you may die before he arrives in which case it is far far better to live in the moment and collect everything you want, as long as you don't mortgage your future too badly so that if future self comes along he can say that his past self enjoyed all the shiny things and didn't stitch him up in the process.

For me, the ultimate answer is that we can only do what feels right to us, no-one else really knows us and what we need to be able to get through life. people will always have opinions but as to what is 'right' - no-one can really tell you that.

I think it will be a terrible thing once we truly own nothing - I feel fantastic in that I owe nobody anything at all, no debt, no mortgage/car loan etc. A future where the only things you have need to be paid for each month and if you can't pay it all suddenly disappears brings back thoughts of slavery. The slightest non-conformity and you lose everything is a very frightening thought, but we seem to be sleep-walking into with the promise of shiny things. My first car was a rusty old Mini 1000, now all the 19 year olds at work drive brand new Audis, BMWs and Mercedes. They say they can't afford a house but have the latest iPhone and buy Costa all day long. Some are still sensible of course, but the media gives the impression if you are not consuming the latest fad you are a loser.

I actually feel the battle is already lost, and as an example I give you Prime energy drink. Bottles changing hands for £100 and fights at the checkouts? Society is doomed.

 

[deadendthrills]

I actually feel the battle is already lost, and as an example I give you Prime energy drink. Bottles changing hands for £100 and fights at the checkouts? Society is doomed.

There are absolutely two sides to that argument. The optimistic one says that the greater the idiocy at one end of the social and cultural spectrum, the greater the opportunity at the other. I find it quite comforting to know that the flocking mentality of abject morons will generally send them somewhere I'm not, and stop them crawling all over the things I like. I've been to so many gigs from top bands over the last few years that were in far smaller and more intimate venues than they should be, and with barely a mobile phone in sight. I could lament the fact that the general population has forgotten the value of art, but in practical terms it's fucking great.

 

[chubsta]

Unfortunately that way ends with society splitting into the Morlocks and the Eloi and look at how that turns out…

 

[Vamino]

I like philosophical discussions...

I could make the point that collecting stuff is a purely selfish act that puts your current self first - there is a very good chance that future self will revel in the nostalgia still in the same way you may be doing now, but they may also look back and wonder why their past self spent so much on pretty things when they would have been much better off paying the mortgage off so future self didn't have to work until he was 75...

But then future self may not even exist as you may die before he arrives in which case it is far far better to live in the moment and collect everything you want, as long as you don't mortgage your future too badly so that if future self comes along he can say that his past self enjoyed all the shiny things and didn't stitch him up in the process.

For me, the ultimate answer is that we can only do what feels right to us, no-one else really knows us and what we need to be able to get through life. people will always have opinions but as to what is 'right' - no-one can really tell you that.

I think it will be a terrible thing once we truly own nothing - I feel fantastic in that I owe nobody anything at all, no debt, no mortgage/car loan etc. A future where the only things you have need to be paid for each month and if you can't pay it all suddenly disappears brings back thoughts of slavery. The slightest non-conformity and you lose everything is a very frightening thought, but we seem to be sleep-walking into with the promise of shiny things. My first car was a rusty old Mini 1000, now all the 19 year olds at work drive brand new Audis, BMWs and Mercedes. They say they can't afford a house but have the latest iPhone and buy Costa all day long. Some are still sensible of course, but the media gives the impression if you are not consuming the latest fad you are a loser.

I actually feel the battle is already lost, and as an example I give you Prime energy drink. Bottles changing hands for £100 and fights at the checkouts? Society is doomed.

I enjoy philosophical discussions as well mate.

Oversimplifying the way I feel about things, what an individual experiences forms the basis of their outlook on the world. Essentially we are small fragments of the whole and we are all collectively creating and experiencing reality from our own individual perspectives.

Whether a person focuses on love/hate/conspiracies/objects/desires etc, the individual will attract and be attracted to whatever they focus on. What an individual pays attention to, they become conscious of, whether it's good or bad. And on the flip side, ignorance can also be bliss. It seems that in this day and age there are more opportunities for people to be fed false experiences, from mainstream outlets that try to shape their outlook from a virtual perspective without them actually physically experiencing or witnessing anything.

It's OK to desire and want things, it isn't all about having an impoverished life living in the wilderness meditating all day, nor is it all about indulging in addictive behaviours either. I agree, it's dangerous to overbudget for today when it can and will affect the person and their families future. People are rewarded with money for using their skills and energy, and that money allows people to exchange it for things that other people have used their energy to make. I don't think people should feel guilty spending money on the things they need or want. As you say, it's best to be wise when spending hard earned money but we are all guilty of not following our own advice. They say a fool and his money are soon parted which I 100% agree with, those addicts are welcome to those £100 Prime bottles.

I believe the understanding of knowing what's right or what's wrong is hardwired into us, on a fundamental level anyway. Even though an individual didn't experience something personally, the past versions of ourselves have already documented what happens when people do something that is not in the best interests of the whole. Even if it's not documented, our 'gut instinct' is there to warn us too, sometimes we don't pay attention to that feeling and ignore it when it kicks in, especially when younger. But I think as one gets older, we start to trust in that feeling more as it's usually right more often than not. Maybe that 'listen to your heart/gut instinct' is also a communication from the future version of ourselves? The future version of us may not be around physically one day, but I think there's more than just the physical aspect, but that's another conversation entirely.

I may come across as a moaning old git who can bring up topics considered outside the norm, but I'm actually optimistic that things will be OK in the long term. All that's needed is that the majority simply say no to outlandish ideas that benefit the few, fear is the mind killer and that's the main weapon that can squash a critical thinking population. The few will be wanting digital ownership of money next........I reject that idea, I prefer my physical games and prefer physical cash thank you very much.

 

[pooman2084]

This is a great thread. Thank you everyone for your contributions.

 

[chubsta]

Didn't know about this but you can guarantee there are a lot of people in the UK who are currently working out how to implement it here...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67014420

If you want to own a car in Singapore you need a certificate - the cost of the certificate is £87,684... That's right, aside from the cost of the car and associated running costs, every ten years you need to pay nearly 90 grand just for the privilege of owning it. Certificates are strictly limited to 950,000 so you can only get one if another car is taken off the road.

The end result of this of course is that 'ordinary' people will not be able to own cars and be independent, it is only the rich and influential that will be able to do so. Of course, when it is suggested here I am sure it will be under the guise of saving the planet from pollution and all political parties will be on-board.

'You will own nothing and be happy' is always touted as the ravings of conspiracy theorists but it seems to me like pretty much everything the tin-hat brigade think will happen seems to be happening.

Off-topic I know but I guess now is the time to be collecting everything and anything you can before the ability to do so is taken away from us all.

 

[Bods]

Space is certainly at a premium these days though, so some concessions have to be made but it doesn't have to be a life full of NFT's. My nephew just turned 18 and whilst dropping off his birthday present he was showing me his nik knacks/artifacts/relics. A stack of cassettes that he plays on his bluetooth cassette player (playing slow and sounding like ass! lol), some random videotapes, a 7' dexy's midnight Runner's single......all slotted in between his Funko Pop's, DVD's, books, toys and videogames.

Sounds like my Nephew

He loves his Consoles and games but he grew up playing Streets of rage, Sonic on Megadrive, then I gave him Dreamcast and he's loved wacky races since and even though he has latest mobiles with 1000s of arcade games on it, he kinda likes the idea of having original hardware and has bought a Dreamcast again, he's sending me videos of guy playing Street Fighter 2 on SNES through a Philips Space Helmet CRT TV and saying how cool is this, just a shame I had Boxed Streetfighter II Snes systems and a few of those Space Helmet TV's 15 years back but sold everything to pay for Arcade stuff
His problem is, no room for it, small bedroom in me brothers small house

At least if you own things, you have the option of selling later down the line, even better if they are now worth more money. I get the argument what are you going to do with it all when your gone, well who cares really when you think about it, you had it to look at, enjoy while your here which to me is good and if you have kids or relatives that would enjoy it then even better

The Society they have created where everything is instant is a bad one, we had to wait for Christmas and Birthdays to get new toys or computer games till we go pocket money, seem to remember getting £2.50 a week which is why I didn't get a chance to play many of the arcade machines, just watch demo or others playing most, now you don't have to wait for anything, blimey people can't wait each week to watch TV series, just watch it all on streaming service and onto next one binge boxset because if you haven't watched it you can't join in with the crowd and discuss it at work the next week, I watch things years later, no rush

 

[Bods]

With the issue of space when owning collections of things you have to get inventive, My loft space for watching movies and somewhere to have C64, Amiga, Pentium 3 PC setup with CRT Monitors is great but with 1000's of DVDs, Games where do you put it all so you can see it

I had a few bookcases I bought, 2 deeper ones and 3 smaller but these take up space from the room, that go me thinking one day, what I need is the shelving in the wall, with the side walls just separating the storage space each side, it was possible to cut out the plasterboard and insulation behind and make shelving units to fix inside the uprights, I took out some uprights as well as roof already has huge beams sitting on wall off centre and they were only for the studded wall, so the other year I got too it when the weather was crap outside and started untill i had filled the 14 foot



2 rows of dvd's, 1 row bluray and C64 cassettes at top

Trouble is I soon filled that too, so some more thinking and decided to do same with wall around the top of the stairs, only this was only 6 inch wide, so time to cut off the nice plasterboard, cut the carpet back and make 2nd frame and double the wall width to fit in 4 rows of blurays so the shelving starts top of stairs one side with narrow bookcase altered to fit in 3 rows of dvd's and goes all the way around to the side wall and all way along with another of the bookcases on back wall

the bonus is, it's hardly taking any space up, just 7 inch less space around the wall and no impact on the back in storage area as you couldn't put anything were it's slighty deeper anyway

 

[Venom]

I just dont think about the amount of rarer films I had on vhs, then laser disk, then dvd ,then blueray. I think this is why I have not got a 4k tv yet, as cannot afford my horror stuff on 4k. I am happy for those with loads of horror films or cd,s or console games who are ashamed of collecting, just to post all your collections to me , I won't charge you for the therapy !!!

 

[thegreathopper]

I bought loads of films for a while, DVD, Criterion, HDDVD and blue ray but realised I mostly only watched them once, some still have the wrapper on.

Now I just buy on iTunes, up to about 900 now, much nicer to watch on the Apple TV.

 

[neo-geo-mvs]

I don't even know what Apple TV is. Is it just like Netflix or exclusive to Apple products?

So many TV subscriptions out these, too expensive to keep up

 

[thegreathopper]

It’s a streamer, you plug it in to your 4K UHD TV and Dolby Atmos sound system, sounds and looks great and no need for disks.

Plus if you want you could watch the same content on your iPad or telephone.