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Fwiw I managed to knock a 3rd off our gas usage by installing a thermostat that avoids overshoot, and maintaining temperature 24/7 during winter rather than on in daytime/low at night. Not a smart one, just a better one than the barebones cheapy we had before.

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I can't afford an EV but do love reading about the people who can, and can then get nice cheap electric to charge it with.
So nice to know that my expensive electric is helping to subsidise that night time gas generated cheap electric for all the 'green' EV owners ;)
 
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I am no economist etc etc so please forgive me if the answer to this is obvious and I am just dumb, but if an energy supplier supplies '100% renewable energy' I am guessing they mean via wind turbines etc. Surely the fact they are then charging exactly the same price as energy derived from gas (which still hasn't gone down in price despite the wholesale price dropping) means that they are profiteering even more then those companies who generate it from gas? Which makes them even more immoral and evil?

Personally, I think the only way forward is nuclear as that is cheap, renewable and apart from the odd little accident which always happens a long way from me so doesn't matter, is very clean!
 

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Octopus here with 7.5p overnight so we put everything on then to save as much as possible. Also once or twice a week they give us a 2-3 hour "free electric" window so I charge my car during those times. Because of that I don't think I've paid to charge my car in months (except when I've gone away on a trip).
 

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It’s because we have agreed to sell all electricity on the international market and all forms get sold at the highest price point, which in recent years has been gas.

Hence the massive increase in our bills and the obscene energy giants’ profits.
 

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End of the day were never getting cheap energy, you can't control the population with cheap or free energy and green energy is more expensive and what's going to back up the green energy when the wind ain't blowing and the sun isn't shining, it's all insane

Making everything you do or use in life running off electricity and then say we need to use less or more electricity when it's available/not available and we need to blight the land for net zero is the same hypocrisy as Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Government Gophers and all the clowns going to the COP meetings in Private Jets and buying half billion pound yachts while preaching to you to stop going on holidays, stop taking your car into city centres for the climate scam while telling US we are ruining the planet with Plastics and we need to have a war on plastic use and you need to be more responsible for your plastic use and recycle it correctly (when half of it ends up in other countries landfill) while they convince you all to start buying liquid soap in plastic bottles having replaced a bar of soap that has pretty much no packaging and just slow disappears with zero waste, getting people to stop smoking for health and then inventing vaping that no one knows the damage to health for another 20 years while allowing throw away vapes creating tons more pollution from plastic and Batteries, don't forget they all have batteries in which will cause devastation to the land when there all dumped just like everything else running on batteries as well as the green cars that are mainly charged with coal powered or diesel generated electric
while china keep opening more coal powered plants yearly but don't forget they make most of the junk you all keep buying convinced by adverts and media to keep spending your money on new crap you didn't need

They are insane with all the bullshit and propaganda while suppressing real cheap energy for the green energy agenda

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/oth...nder-national-grid-net-zero-plans/ar-BB1o2nBc

https://davidturver.substack.com/p/national-grid-propaganda
 

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yeah, never fails to amuse me how vaping is seen as such a wonderful thing - over the last ten years or so at work the number of people who smoked dwindled to pretty much nobody, just a few old stalwarts who wouldn't give up for anything, certainly none of the younger ones smoked. Along comes vaping and now I would say well over half of the huge number of new staff use vapes - and its not like when people smoke, they would have a cigarette and then have one later, all the time you see people walking about with their vapes in their hands and as soon as they leave the office (we were in and out all the time) they vape, stop to chat to someone, they vape, I would say most probably don't go more than a couple of minutes without it.

The idea that it would help people stop smoking was great, but as well as that it has created a massive market of its own which is going to dwarf the numbers who used to smoke even decades ago, the way things are going I would say in a few years it will be a minority who don't use them.

And, of course, the majority now use the handy disposable ones, made of plastic with lithium batteries, which are just thrown on the ground when finished with as litter - they used to say how long a cigarette butt would take to decompose but I would imagine that's not half the problem that these devices will cause.

There is a good documentary on Netflix about 'Juul', who started off with lofty ideas about improving health, but it all ended up about getting 'influencers' to target the devices to the youngest they possible could in the constant hunt for more profit.
 

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yeah, never fails to amuse me how vaping is seen as such a wonderful thing - over the last ten years or so at work the number of people who smoked dwindled to pretty much nobody, just a few old stalwarts who wouldn't give up for anything, certainly none of the younger ones smoked. Along comes vaping and now I would say well over half of the huge number of new staff use vapes - and its not like when people smoke, they would have a cigarette and then have one later, all the time you see people walking about with their vapes in their hands and as soon as they leave the office (we were in and out all the time) they vape, stop to chat to someone, they vape, I would say most probably don't go more than a couple of minutes without it.

The idea that it would help people stop smoking was great, but as well as that it has created a massive market of its own which is going to dwarf the numbers who used to smoke even decades ago, the way things are going I would say in a few years it will be a minority who don't use them.

And, of course, the majority now use the handy disposable ones, made of plastic with lithium batteries, which are just thrown on the ground when finished with as litter - they used to say how long a cigarette butt would take to decompose but I would imagine that's not half the problem that these devices will cause.

There is a good documentary on Netflix about 'Juul', who started off with lofty ideas about improving health, but it all ended up about getting 'influencers' to target the devices to the youngest they possible could in the constant hunt for more profit.
How did we get onto vapes? Lol

Not sure why you would care if people vape or not. Disposable vapes are due to be banned, I believe.
 

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How did we get onto vapes? Lol

Not sure why you would care if people vape or not. Disposable vapes are due to be banned, I believe.
The previous post mentions vapes in terms of being a product which is incredibly polluting through all stages of its production, use and disposal, yet this is washed over but we have to try to suck a milkshake through a quickly-dissolving paper straw because the rich and famous tell us we have to save the planet, but of course they have to fly private because poor people smell...

I care whether people vape because, as well as the god awful smell, I get fed up clearing up disposable vapes from the grass verge near my house before mowing it - oddly enough this is where the bus shelter is for the school kids, who insist older people are destroying the planet, wait each morning in a cloud of chemicals.

Don't care what people do to their own bodies, Im a great believer in legalisation of all drugs for recreational use (although if someone tries to rob me or my house to get money for their drugs then I should be allowed to kill them - they made their choice!) but vaping is a classic example of a product that no-one needed, is polluting and expensive and harmful to the body, and yet a huge hit amongst many people who would control our lives to 'save the planet'.

As for disposable vapes being banned, all that does is create a black market of smuggled and unregulated stuff to be sold illicitly to children - the genie is out of the bottle now so there is no going back but I look forward to the future court cases where everyone claims they need compensation because no-one told them inhaling dangerous mixtures of overheated chemicals into one of the most sensitive and delicate part of the body was not a particularly good idea...

And, back on topic, we need an overhaul of the energy system whereby British energy production is used by Britain, if there is a surplus then fine, sell it at the market rate, but some things are essential and should not be left solely to foreign companies to rip us off.
 

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Ah, right. I only scanned bod's post as I thought he was going off on one again. 😆

I'm a smoker and only took up vaping to cut down. I feel better for it, but maybe I'm just kidding myself. 🤷‍♂️

None of the utilities or essential services should have been privatised. Running any organisation for maximum profit is inevitably going to have a negative impact. Too late now, though...
 

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I think the families of the countless people that would have died from smoking related diseases would question your statement on vaping.
 

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To steer a little back on track?

I have a LOT of problems with Smart meters but perhaps the main one is that basically they can be switched into pre-payment meters, which then are cut off when you haven't paid.

The secondary one is that the tech was (is?) immature and you have all this shite about generations of smart meters, being impossible to switch providers and retain the smartness, and the various mobile networks they use being switched off. I can still read the numbers off a 50 year old meter, but all this e-waste has been created, built, installed at great taxpayer expense, and now is no more use than the 50 year old one that was there before.

Heads need to roll, but of course they wont.
 

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Ah, right. I only scanned bod's post as I thought he was going off on one again. 😆

I'm a smoker and only took up vaping to cut down. I feel better for it, but maybe I'm just kidding myself. 🤷‍♂️

None of the utilities or essential services should have been privatised. Running any organisation for maximum profit is inevitably going to have a negative impact. Too late now, though...
I’m sure vaping is a far far better thing than smoking - my mum died very young from lung cancer due to smoking so have experience of its consequences, but it’s the fact it is incredibly trendy amongst young people who should know better that surprises me - 18 year olds were joining our job and within weeks they were all vaping, I guess to fit in.
 

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I started smoking on and off at 11 or 12 and was a regular by 14 as we're about half the kids I was at school with. Make vaping too restrictive and watch smoking numbers rise again! Vaping can be a good thing, but bearded twats blowing huge clouds of vapour should be shot on sight!
 
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