Referendum

[IDCHAPPY]

Now, I'm just gauging opinion here, lets not get too outrageous but if you have a view pop it in here.

I'll be voting yes, not as the media may have you believe that I hate the English, just that I believe Scotland should rule itself after 300+ years of Westminster rule.

 

[stevearcade]

I think it's in Scotland's economic interests to remain as they are, in the UK. I also think for the sake of balanced UK politics, the union should remain. Without Scotland, Labour will never again be in government and the English, Welsh and Northern Irish will be condemned to an eternity of Tory leadership.

Playing devil's advocate also, as the implications are so massive on both sides, couldn't you argue that the whole of the UK should be eligible to vote, not just the Scots? Just pondering really...

My 2 cents.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

I have facts that back up Scotland has only 2 times played any major part in the government of the UK being selected

About the voting part, they could vote on it but I'd personally fail to see it making much odds TBH, surely you have to go with what the population of said country believe in ?

Flip side of the coin here, If it was the other way about I'd suppose the English to the nuts in wanting independence and freedom.. especially in the crazy scenario that they were governed in Edinburgh

 

[ben76]

Tbh..... and Chappy already knows..... I would vote 'Yes' as even for me all the decisions made in London affect me and tbh they're a bunch of twunts....

For me thinks like Fracking is completely wrong and none of it seems to happen in London where they all live... Now that is a one sentence thing but it is a thing I feel strongly about.

It's not just about Scotland saying enough is enough its about the whole of England too... England will never change and in the respect of not being a separate country can't. Can Scotland be self sufficient I have no clue but I'd be up for the gamble.

To end if Scotland don't vote yes then more the fools you... but please take back RBS and BOS and they're a big thorn in the side of the UK (inc Scotland) as well as the rest of the banks!

Is Scotland a big enough country to go for it... meh let's find out!

- Ben

P.S. I don't care where someone comes from, yes Scotland has a great heritage,,,, so does England,,,, so does pretty much every country tbh... If you vote 'Yes' purely because you are Scottish then more the fool you. If you vote 'Yes' because you want to make sure Scotland is the best country to live in go for it... Again, I would vote 'Yes' even though I have met quite a bit of hosility against English people but I know that's the minority.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

Tbh..... and Chappy already knows..... I would vote 'Yes' as even for me all the decisions made in London affect me and tbh they're a bunch of twunts....

For me thinks like Fracking is completely wrong and none of it seems to happen in London where they all live... Now that is a one sentence thing but it is a thing I feel strongly about.

It's not just about Scotland saying enough is enough its about the whole of England too... England will never change and in the respect of not being a separate country can't. Can Scotland be self sufficient I have no clue but I'd be up for the gamble.

To end if Scotland don't vote yes then more the fools you... but please take back RBS and BOS and they're a big thorn in the side of the UK (inc Scotland) as well as the rest of the banks!

Is Scotland a big enough country to go for it... meh let's find out!

- Ben

P.S. I don't care where someone comes from, yes Scotland has a great heritage,,,, so does England,,,, so does pretty much every country tbh... If you vote 'Yes' purely because you are Scottish then more the fool you. If you vote 'Yes' because you want to make sure Scotland is the best country to live in go for it... Again, I would vote 'Yes' even though I have met quite a bit of hosility against English people but I know that's the minority.

 

[RygarR]

Big fat yes up here in Fife.

Main issue was self-determination. It might not be milk and honey from day one, but in the medium to long term, Scotland could not possibly be any worse off than it is at the moment. In fact, there are good reasons to believe things could get a lot better.

I'm truly sorry for you good folks further south who're also being shafted by the Bullingdon bullies and their banskter chums. It's a convenient accident of history that we're getting the chance to poke the feckers in the eye. But a yes vote in Scotland is the only leverage you'll ever get to force them to change their tune in EnglandWalesNI. Seriously, when the only difference in your political parties in the colour of their rosettes, things are probably broken beyond repair.

Scots don't hate the English, they hate Westminster politicians and their policies - that's what they want rid of.

 

[grobda]

I'm voting yes.

the no camp seem to have given us nothing but scaremongering and lies.

I dont give fig on anyones economic predictions, where were these f**kers when the global recession hit? nobody actually knows what will happen.

The tories are back to going about their business privitazing everything they can, shifting the tax back to the poor and making the biggest cuts to the poorest councils, and even if labour get back in power theyre a shadow of the party they used to be.

so YES. a small independent laregely socialist country is far more appealing to me than a london-centric conservative britain with a growing right wing tendency.

oh and i'm english; ive lived in glasgow for 21 years, the closest ive had to hostility was some banter about football.

 

[gunblade]

I think it's in Scotland's economic interests to remain as they are, in the UK. I also think for the sake of balanced UK politics, the union should remain. Without Scotland, Labour will never again be in government and the English, Welsh and Northern Irish will be condemned to an eternity of Tory leadership.

Playing devil's advocate also, as the implications are so massive on both sides, couldn't you argue that the whole of the UK should be eligible to vote, not just the Scots? Just pondering really...

My 2 cents.

this is the truth,scotland holds the balance in relation to politics

without the scots it would almost inevitable that a tory government will reign forever-well unless ukip split their vote

this alone is proof that we need scotland to stay part of the u.k and scotland needs to stay part of the u.k to prevent the snp becoming a dictatorship,a no vote will give the scots so much devolved power that they will virtually be a independant country anyway

btw what looney gave 16 year old the vote-ohh that will be the snp then

 

[grobda]

ps the effect of the scottish vote on uk election results is explained in this vid, along with some other 'facts'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buiXDbgnc4M

TLR? the entire scottish vote has made no difference to any of the governments elected in my lifetime.

grobda2014-09-14 00:22:03

 

[tronads]

It still remains a massive source of annoyance to me that as a Scot living in the United Kingdom, I don't get a vote.

 

[Nes4life]

It still remains a massive source of annoyance to me that as a Scot living in the United Kingdom, I don't get a vote.

The additional irony being that there are hundreds of thousands of 'non-scots' who live in Scotland that will get a vote on this.

 

[stevearcade]

There are two questions that I've not really heard answered from the Yes camp, and if I were voting, I'd want an answer.

1) Does Scotland have a good enough GDP to viably sustain certain benefits and legislation (e.g. free prescriptions, free university education and so on)

2) What measures are in place to maintain consistent GDP when North Sea Oil dries up (be it in 10 years or 100 years)?

 

[RygarR]

Dude,

Unless you live up here, what you've heard or read or seen on TV is a 95/5 mix of bias, misrepresentations and scaremongering in favour of the 'no' side. The most frightening examples of this coming from the good old BBC. You should have seen Nick Robinson on the six o'clock news on Thursday, brazenly reinventing what happened at an interview he held on BBC news at 12. Real 1984 type stuff. And then there's the opinion of the banks, who's crystal ball seems to have had a service since 2008.

Truth is, Scotland has a positive balance of payments, ample natural resources excluding oil, which is about to enter boom times btw, and is more than capable of going it alone. Those 'free' things you mention are currently enabled through policy driven management of budget. If the UK elite weren't all neo liberal fascists, England could have them too.

The reason that the establishment is hell bent on keeping us is that they know things would have to change down south afterwards too.

There are two questions that I've not really heard answered from the Yes camp, and if I were voting, I'd want an answer.

1) Does Scotland have a good enough GDP to viably sustain certain benefits and legislation (e.g. free prescriptions, free university education and so on)

2) What measures are in place to maintain consistent GDP when North Sea Oil dries up (be it in 10 years or 100 years)?

 

[Milky]

Looking at opinion polls, the reality is that the country of Scotland is fiercely divided on this. Half of the country is going to be utterly ****ed off regardless of the result. That can't be a good thing, can it?

 

[Milky]

Dude,

Unless you live up here, what you've heard or read or seen on TV is a 95/5 mix of bias, misrepresentations and scaremongering in favour of the 'no' side.

If it was 1979 (three TV channels and day old news from a handful of newspapers) I would believe that statement. It's not the dark ages though so we have access to "unbiased" opinion too. So in my opinion, the "if you don't live here " argument is redundant.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

The TV and media in general has been horrendously biased, i8t was to be expected though.

With regards to Steve and the GDP, we also have lots of renewable energy, drink, tourism and selling you guys water to rely on ( last one was a joke by the way

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[RygarR]

The media would love to have you believe that Scotland is 'fiercely' divided. There are certainly blowhards, especially on the no side. But of the people I know who vote against, their main motivation is fear. After a yes victory, the majority of no.s would soon adapt.

Looking at opinion polls, the reality is that the country of Scotland is fiercely divided on this. Half of the country is going to be utterly ****ed off regardless of the result. That can't be a good thing, can it?

 

[RygarR]

BTW, just out of interest, which sources do you reckon are balanced / not biased in favour of the 'no' camp when it cones to the referendum?

Dude,

Unless you live up here, what you've heard or read or seen on TV is a 95/5 mix of bias, misrepresentations and scaremongering in favour of the 'no' side.

If it was 1979 (three TV channels and day old news from a handful of newspapers) I would believe that statement. It's not the dark ages though so we have access to "unbiased" opinion too. So in my opinion, the "if you don't live here " argument is redundant.

 

[Milky]

I imagine the same sources that you get your unbiased facts from. Or are they, in fact , all biased depending on opinion?

 

[simonden]

Playing devil's advocate also, as the implications are so massive on both sides, couldn't you argue that the whole of the UK should be eligible to vote, not just the Scots? Just pondering really...

^^^This.

And I don't mean that the rest should be able to turnover the Scottish vote, we should have a separate vote as to whether we want independence from Scotland. That way we could stop Scottish MPs becoming unelected PM's using our tax money to bail out 2 Scottish banks, while letting the English banks get sold off to the Americans.

(nb: before anyone gets their back up, it is all tongue in cheek, I dislike more non-Scottish people than Scottish people)