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a yes vote means scotland will have less power, no eu access, no agreement over the pound will leave them as a banana republic

tax receipts and spending from 1980 to 2012. Scotland had
paid in £1,425bn in tax receipts, including all oil
revenues. Public spending in and for Scotland was £15bn more at
£1,440bn.

GDP will fall through the floor when the extra payments are removed. the uk is keeping the debt (and the assets)

i note mr alex is still going to claim his 40k a year from the uk despite telling the rest of scotland that they don't need the uk........

i will be voting no
 

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woody said:
a yes vote means scotland will have less power, no eu access, no agreement over the pound will leave them as a banana republic

tax receipts and spending from 1980 to 2012. Scotland had
paid in £1,425bn in tax receipts, including all oil
revenues. Public spending in and for Scotland was £15bn more at
£1,440bn.

GDP will fall through the floor when the extra payments are removed. the uk is keeping the debt (and the assets)

i note mr alex is still going to claim his 40k a year from the uk despite telling the rest of scotland that they don't need the uk........

i will be voting no

Well, you keep believing that dude
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Chaps, You know I love you dude
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I'll tell you what is happening by the masses down here, people are saying they will march in London if we share the pound. I'm not joking either - ask some of the others on here.

Labour, Libs and Conservatives have all said a NO. You think they can go back on that? It will make a mockery of them all because everyone will say they go back on their word - it's suicide for them with parties like UKIP looming.

This whole thing has divided the country like DanP said - it's only going to get worse - like a bitter divorce and i'm pretty sure it will only make both countries less important on the world stage and we'll both be worse off.

I hope you get your independence even if I think we're better together as that's what democracy is all about - but just like you have your proud Scottish views on the way you want things to be I fear the rest of the UK will voice what they want - and that's for a lot of things Scotland isn't going to like. It's a split and it's going to be bitter and twisted.

I am personally against you sharing the pound and I am happy to actually financially suffer over it. I can't understand the entire independence thing but not the "oh can we just share this, share that, oh and a bit of that too". If you are independent then stand proud and totally severe from the UK.

Like I said this is only going one way, and it's going to get f**king ugly.
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I know mate, but that just holds what could be more than half of Scotland trapped wanting independence but stuck with a union they might not want.

About the £, I'll be honest and say I'm not hugely bothered about sharing it but it's been a joint currency for years.. not just Englands?

If it was that much of an issue though cool, I personally would be fine using an alternative.

The march in London.. again more than within your rights but surely it's better to march for change in leadership than to possibly spite another nation?

See if the boot was on the other foot, I'd be backing England to the hilt if they wanted to go it alone.

Some spilts can be amicable to an extent, Czechs and Slovaks weren't raping and killing each other when they parted.

I think the pound was the only thing that was talked about possibly sharing though, it's not AFAIK ( and I'll be honest I'm not a politician) like were have cherry picked all the best bits to share.

How does it have to get ugly though? that's the sad part, IMHO I can't see the need for it to get ugly..
 

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IDCHAPPY said:
woody said:
a yes vote means scotland will have less power, no eu access, no agreement over the pound will leave them as a banana republic

tax receipts and spending from 1980 to 2012. Scotland had
paid in £1,425bn in tax receipts, including all oil
revenues. Public spending in and for Scotland was £15bn more at
£1,440bn.

GDP will fall through the floor when the extra payments are removed. the uk is keeping the debt (and the assets)

i note mr alex is still going to claim his 40k a year from the uk despite telling the rest of scotland that they don't need the uk........

i will be voting no

Well, you keep believing that dude
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all facts, taken from the Scottish gov. if it was real Independence i
would say yes. with what the snp are proposing instead of been run
from Westminster it will be Whitehall, the same setup as the isle of man.

the run on the scottish banks has already started, come friday alex better have a planb or scotland will be bankrupt (again)
 

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IDCHAPPY said:
I know mate, but that just holds what could be more than half of Scotland trapped wanting independence but stuck with a union they might not want.

About the £, I'll be honest and say I'm not hugely bothered about sharing it but it's been a joint currency for years.. not just Englands?

If it was that much of an issue though cool, I personally would be fine using an alternative.

The march in London.. again more than within your rights but surely it's better to march for change in leadership than to possibly spite another nation?

See if the boot was on the other foot, I'd be backing England to the hilt if they wanted to go it alone.

Some spilts can be amicable to an extent, Czechs and Slovaks weren't raping and killing each other when they parted.

I think the pound was the only thing that was talked about possibly sharing though, it's not AFAIK ( and I'll be honest I'm not a politician) like were have cherry picked all the best bits to share.

How does it have to get ugly though? that's the sad part, IMHO I can't see the need for it to get ugly..

We've been a united UK for years, and there's talk of splitting up so you have to understand there will be this 'divorce' sentiment that means if you don't want the UK, or England then you can get your hands off the pound too. It works the same IMHO for the pound like it does Scotland not being part of the UK.

Any marches or demonstrations will be about a Scotland/England/UK divide not about who's in power. As i say this is the divorce sentiment - it's nothing to do with who's in power at Westminster - I'm quite happy with them myself, but the issue isn't about them, it's about what's perceived as a split. I think the majority of people that have a hatred of Westminster are north of the Scottish border unfortunately.

When Czech and Slovakia parted Slovakia was desolate for years. It may have been amicable and what both nations wanted but one very much suffered whilst the other prospered.

Dude it's going to get ugly, the SNP have already said if they don't get the pound they won't take their part of the debt (which is suicide for Scotland as no free markets will lend to you). From everything I have seen from possibly a biased BBC the only people wanting to get ugly is the SNP - and the break up of assets are going to be just that.

I also fear there's more of a hatred for the English from Alex Salmond than there is of him wanting what's best for Scotland - all my personal opinion of course.

I have indeed been looking at it from both sides for a while, I'm not a fool to fall for just one side of the argument, and as I said before, I hope Scotland gets what Scotland wants, if that's independence then that's cool.

I actually think I want Scotland to get independence as a) I'm interested what you do to Mr. Salmond if/when it falls apart, and b) I'm bladdy fed up of seeing it on my facebook feed everyday
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If you do get independence I hope you do prosper.
 

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You should follow my facebook feed instead. Long story short: I just cut a 7 foot willy into my lawn as my neighbour suggested my front garden was scruffy. #FirstWorldProblemMilky2014-09-15 19:28:17
 

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Give it time, the helmet and balls need more work....

...and I never thought I would ever post that on a forum...
 

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You need a few splashes coming out the end. Preferably towards the problem neighbour
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ohh this for sure
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I do somewhere have a pic of the cock I made on our front lawn a few years ago when it snowed. I was well impressed with myself
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You know, we could be about to have to abandon our name too, just struck me come Friday, "uk"Vac might be a retro name in more ways than one... Maybe the oldest Internet forums for VAC'ing will need its own referendum on a forum name....Ravage2014-09-16 11:54:03
 
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